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#1 sweepa

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Posted 13 October 2015 - 07:51 PM

Well they said it would never happen but the day is finally here. Mandatory Data Retention officially starts today.

So from today assume all your digital communications (every email, every phone call, every txt, every web page you visit, all your location data; even if your phone is turned off) are being collected and scrutinized.

#2 pmod

  • Joined:13-May 10
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:Fruity 180sx

Posted 14 October 2015 - 08:17 AM

F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to invest in a VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers.

I sincerely hope their data storage facilites get hacked a couple of times, as Anonymous did with AAPT, the information released and the whole operation canned.

#3 Pointless dribbler

  • Joined:27-June 06
  • Location:Australia QLD
  • Car:94 180sx

Posted 14 October 2015 - 08:36 AM

Just when i thought i was building the greatest porn collection a new player steps in the ring.


#4 adm15

  • Joined:17-February 15
  • Location:Australia VIC
  • Car:s15

Posted 14 October 2015 - 08:42 AM

^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:)

#5 pmod

  • Joined:13-May 10
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:Fruity 180sx

Posted 14 October 2015 - 09:12 AM

View Postadm15, on 14 October 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:)

Wasn't Mohammed all about the 9-year olds? Bit of a "4 weddings and a funeral" situation right there...

#6 sweepa

  • Joined:28-January 08
  • Location:Australia ACT
  • Car:R31, VB

Posted 14 October 2015 - 10:22 AM

View Postpmod, on 14 October 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to invest in a VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers.
Maybe some of these may be of interest...
https://www.wickr.com/
http://www.bleep.pm/
https://gli.ph/
https://www.silentci...tions/software/
https://telegram.org/
https://whispersystems.org/
and to stop location tracking via towers...
http://www.privacycase.com/ or you can wrap your phone in tin foil - you'll look like a weirdo but it works

and some vpn providers for people that need them
https://www.privatei.../pages/buy-vpn/
https://www.expressv...1=australia_vpn
https://www.goldenfrog.biz/vyprvpn
https://torguard.net/
https://www.ivpn.net/
https://nordvpn.com/

it should go without saying but to anyone thinking about just using free proxy sites; be careful, alot of these are set up by hackers to conduct mitm (man in the middle) attacks.

View Postadm15, on 14 October 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:)

When German Jews were filling out the 1939 census they probably didn't think to much of it either, who would have thought that the Nazi's would have used the census information to hunt them down and kill them.

The real issue is not so much 'are you doing anything wrong?'. It's the potential for misuse of this information that is worrying. With there already being talk of expanding the scope of the plan to allow agencies like the ATO and even private companies have access to the data and the inevitable scope creep that will accompany such a program; there is a very real chance of this information being data mined to profile citizens, to manipulate and influence the political system, financial markets, judicial systems and engage in industrial espionage (kinda like what happen with the Indonisia incident).

But just keeping in line with the thinking of 'haven't done anything wrong', ever downloaded a song or a movie? you think the MPAA, RIAA won't be going after this data? Ever swore at sombody in a txt message, phone call or online? You could be charged with using a carriage service to menace or harass. There are millions of pieces of legislation in place so odds are your breaking numerous laws everyday without ever even realizing it. Someone in a position of power has beef with you, wouldn't be real hard to go on a fishing expedition.

#7 Shadow_Matrix

  • Joined:31-May 13
  • Location:Australia ACT
  • Car:Astra :P

Posted 14 October 2015 - 11:01 PM

It's getting about time to leave this country....consistently going further down the dunny...

Edited by Shadow_Matrix, 14 October 2015 - 11:02 PM.


#8 antonio

  • Joined:26-September 05
  • Location:Australia VIC
  • Car:S14

Posted 15 October 2015 - 01:39 PM

Dear Data overloads, please save all data of my googly searches at 2am when lonely.

Regards,
Me.

ps. it would be good if i could get a copy of them links i use cause sometimes i gota run it via incognito mode so if your tracking me you may aswell pass it back.
pps. would be best to give me the lists of the sites i stay on the most doing my "research"

#9 s2o0o

  • Joined:08-April 04
  • Location:Australia VIC
  • Car:Honda Civic

Posted 12 November 2015 - 02:09 PM

Where are they storing all this data? Is it our ISP's having to keep this stuff?

How about when I browse from work? How do they know it's me?

(I just wrote a final year Uni thesis on Australian Media and Crime Policy regarding this stuff...I still don't know what's going on here)

#10 Shadow_Matrix

  • Joined:31-May 13
  • Location:Australia ACT
  • Car:Astra :P

Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:23 PM

Yes, it's the ISPs responsibility to store the data. TO memory they weren't getting paid enough to store it on shore, so the plan was to use off shore data houses, but then to memory there was uproar from the government over that and they switched to on shore (to memory). In terms of knowing the identity or the owner of data, there are a couple of ways for them to know that but in the end it boils down to two things:
1) If it's your personal computer, it's very obvious, no need to go into details here
2) If it's a non personal computer, i.e. work, same scenario as above but they would leverage additional resources. Here, fall two instances:
2 a) You are browsing while signed into a google account or some other account - then this is straight forward
C) You are browsing or using services without being signed into anything. This becomes a little harder, but still easy. This falls into the data analytics domain, basically let's say at your work there is a pool of 10 people, every individual there would have very distinct data that's attached to them. For instance, we visit nissansilvia.com all the time, however if you pick 100 people randomly in public, not even 1 of them would stastically know this site, even if you pick 1000 members of the public, it'd still be stastically less than 1. Anyway, that's just for one site, from the many sites and activities you undertake on the net, you have a very distinct data trail that is individual to you, so it's not very hard.

From what I understand though, I don't think they do case 2 C) in general, it would have to be them looking for something specific. But obviously for all data, there exists an owner that they connect it with.

Edited by Shadow_Matrix, 12 November 2015 - 09:25 PM.


#11 Shadow_Matrix

  • Joined:31-May 13
  • Location:Australia ACT
  • Car:Astra :P

Posted 12 November 2015 - 09:29 PM

What I'm more worried about though, if the "official" reason for the government doing this is "because terrorists", well then terrorists know already to use encryption, so that throws the governments 10 quadrillion dollar plan (hyperbole) out the window of meta data retention. For instance, right now if you google a program called "mujahideen" to memory, that is a bespoke encryption software used by terrorists around the world for their communications.

Now let's take the scenario that somehow a terrorist doesn't use a encryption program for their communications, let's say they're "dumb" enough to use whatsapp. Even whatsapp has end to end encryption, so even then, the meta deta retention scheme would have absolutely zero effect. Now, obviously this is very simple and straight forward to know. So then the question is, since this is as obvious as day, what truly is the governments' motivation for this? Obviously they're not going to spend this amount of money and effort that is so obviously ineffective to catch terrorists and other criminals, so then what are their true motivations?

What's the true intention? That's the scary part imo.

And now I'm officially on the list lmao. May as well add a few other keywords, NSA, CIA, FBI, bomb, terrorist.

That should do it lol.

Edited by Shadow_Matrix, 12 November 2015 - 09:30 PM.


#12 Varvs

  • Joined:21-December 07
  • Location:Australia NSW
  • Car:97 180sx Type X

Posted 12 November 2015 - 10:51 PM

you dont even need to be fancy, whatsapp and imessage are encrypted and hosted OS, so totally outside of the legislation.

facebook chat too.

#13 kdog

  • Joined:16-March 06
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Posted 17 November 2015 - 01:53 PM

i remember when this comment was popular on here

"nah deej"

#14 chrisjohnson

  • Joined:06-September 16
  • Location:Australia ACT

Posted 06 September 2016 - 07:59 PM

View Postsweepa, on 14 October 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:

View Postpmod, on 14 October 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to buy VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers.
Maybe some of these may be of interest...
https://www.wickr.com/
http://www.bleep.pm/
https://gli.ph/
https://www.silentci...tions/software/
https://telegram.org/
https://whispersystems.org/
and to stop location tracking via towers...
http://www.privacycase.com/ or you can wrap your phone in tin foil - you'll look like a weirdo but it works

and some vpn providers for people that need them
https://www.privatei.../pages/buy-vpn/
https://www.expressv...1=australia_vpn
https://www.goldenfrog.biz/vyprvpn
https://torguard.net/
https://www.purevpn.com/order
https://www.ivpn.net/
https://nordvpn.com/

it should go without saying but to anyone thinking about just using free proxy sites; be careful, alot of these are set up by hackers to conduct mitm (man in the middle) attacks.

View Postadm15, on 14 October 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:)

When German Jews were filling out the 1939 census they probably didn't think to much of it either, who would have thought that the Nazi's would have used the census information to hunt them down and kill them.

The real issue is not so much 'are you doing anything wrong?'. It's the potential for misuse of this information that is worrying. With there already being talk of expanding the scope of the plan to allow agencies like the ATO and even private companies have access to the data and the inevitable scope creep that will accompany such a program; there is a very real chance of this information being data mined to profile citizens, to manipulate and influence the political system, financial markets, judicial systems and engage in industrial espionage (kinda like what happen with the Indonisia incident).

But just keeping in line with the thinking of 'haven't done anything wrong', ever downloaded a song or a movie? you think the MPAA, RIAA won't be going after this data? Ever swore at sombody in a txt message, phone call or online? You could be charged with using a carriage service to menace or harass. There are millions of pieces of legislation in place so odds are your breaking numerous laws everyday without ever even realizing it. Someone in a position of power has beef with you, wouldn't be real hard to go on a fishing expedition.
hell data retention

#15 Jimmy Cohen

  • Joined:31-January 17

Posted 01 February 2017 - 05:18 PM

View Postsweepa, on 14 October 2015 - 10:22 AM, said:

View Postpmod, on 14 October 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to invest in a VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers.
Maybe some of these may be of interest...
https://www.wickr.com/
http://www.bleep.pm/
https://gli.ph/
https://www.silentci...tions/software/
https://telegram.org/
https://whispersystems.org/
and to stop location tracking via towers...
http://www.privacycase.com/ or you can wrap your phone in tin foil - you'll look like a weirdo but it works

and some vpn providers for people that need them
https://www.privatei.../pages/buy-vpn/
https://www.expressv...1=australia_vpn
https://www.goldenfrog.biz/vyprvpn
https://www.ivacy.com/australia-vpn/
https://torguard.net/
https://www.ivpn.net/
https://nordvpn.com/

it should go without saying but to anyone thinking about just using free proxy sites; be careful, alot of these are set up by hackers to conduct mitm (man in the middle) attacks.

View Postadm15, on 14 October 2015 - 08:42 AM, said:

^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:)

When German Jews were filling out the 1939 census they probably didn't think to much of it either, who would have thought that the Nazi's would have used the census information to hunt them down and kill them.

The real issue is not so much 'are you doing anything wrong?'. It's the potential for misuse of this information that is worrying. With there already being talk of expanding the scope of the plan to allow agencies like the ATO and even private companies have access to the data and the inevitable scope creep that will accompany such a program; there is a very real chance of this information being data mined to profile citizens, to manipulate and influence the political system, financial markets, judicial systems and engage in industrial espionage (kinda like what happen with the Indonisia incident).

But just keeping in line with the thinking of 'haven't done anything wrong', ever downloaded a song or a movie? you think the MPAA, RIAA won't be going after this data? Ever swore at sombody in a txt message, phone call or online? You could be charged with using a carriage service to menace or harass. There are millions of pieces of legislation in place so odds are your breaking numerous laws everyday without ever even realizing it. Someone in a position of power has beef with you, wouldn't be real hard to go on a fishing expedition.

Even NSA tools were hacked. When NSA can be hacked anyone can be hacked easily. It becomes, even more, easier when hackers have NSA tools out there.





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