sweepa 2 Posted October 13, 2015 Well they said it would never happen but the day is finally here. Mandatory Data Retention officially starts today. So from today assume all your digital communications (every email, every phone call, every txt, every web page you visit, all your location data; even if your phone is turned off) are being collected and scrutinized. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pmod 261 Posted October 13, 2015 F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to invest in a VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers. I sincerely hope their data storage facilites get hacked a couple of times, as Anonymous did with AAPT, the information released and the whole operation canned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pointless dribbler 11 Posted October 13, 2015 Just when i thought i was building the greatest porn collection a new player steps in the ring. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adm15 3 Posted October 13, 2015 ^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pmod 261 Posted October 13, 2015 ^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:) Wasn't Mohammed all about the 9-year olds? Bit of a "4 weddings and a funeral" situation right there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sweepa 2 Posted October 14, 2015 F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to invest in a VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers. Maybe some of these may be of interest... https://www.wickr.com/ http://www.bleep.pm/ https://gli.ph/ https://www.silentcircle.com/products-and-solutions/software/ https://telegram.org/ https://whispersystems.org/ and to stop location tracking via towers... http://www.privacycase.com/ or you can wrap your phone in tin foil - you'll look like a weirdo but it works and some vpn providers for people that need them https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/pages/buy-vpn/ https://www.expressvpn.com/vpn-server/australia-vpn?a_aid=zpeti&data1=australia_vpn https://www.goldenfrog.biz/vyprvpn https://torguard.net/ https://www.ivpn.net/ https://nordvpn.com/ it should go without saying but to anyone thinking about just using free proxy sites; be careful, alot of these are set up by hackers to conduct mitm (man in the middle) attacks. ^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:) When German Jews were filling out the 1939 census they probably didn't think to much of it either, who would have thought that the Nazi's would have used the census information to hunt them down and kill them. The real issue is not so much 'are you doing anything wrong?'. It's the potential for misuse of this information that is worrying. With there already being talk of expanding the scope of the plan to allow agencies like the ATO and even private companies have access to the data and the inevitable scope creep that will accompany such a program; there is a very real chance of this information being data mined to profile citizens, to manipulate and influence the political system, financial markets, judicial systems and engage in industrial espionage (kinda like what happen with the Indonisia incident). But just keeping in line with the thinking of 'haven't done anything wrong', ever downloaded a song or a movie? you think the MPAA, RIAA won't be going after this data? Ever swore at sombody in a txt message, phone call or online? You could be charged with using a carriage service to menace or harass. There are millions of pieces of legislation in place so odds are your breaking numerous laws everyday without ever even realizing it. Someone in a position of power has beef with you, wouldn't be real hard to go on a fishing expedition. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_Matrix 7 Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) It's getting about time to leave this country....consistently going further down the dunny... Edited October 14, 2015 by Shadow_Matrix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antonio 113 Posted October 15, 2015 Dear Data overloads, please save all data of my googly searches at 2am when lonely. Regards, Me. ps. it would be good if i could get a copy of them links i use cause sometimes i gota run it via incognito mode so if your tracking me you may aswell pass it back. pps. would be best to give me the lists of the sites i stay on the most doing my "research" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
s2o0o 6 Posted November 12, 2015 Where are they storing all this data? Is it our ISP's having to keep this stuff? How about when I browse from work? How do they know it's me? (I just wrote a final year Uni thesis on Australian Media and Crime Policy regarding this stuff...I still don't know what's going on here) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_Matrix 7 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) Yes, it's the ISPs responsibility to store the data. TO memory they weren't getting paid enough to store it on shore, so the plan was to use off shore data houses, but then to memory there was uproar from the government over that and they switched to on shore (to memory). In terms of knowing the identity or the owner of data, there are a couple of ways for them to know that but in the end it boils down to two things: 1) If it's your personal computer, it's very obvious, no need to go into details here 2) If it's a non personal computer, i.e. work, same scenario as above but they would leverage additional resources. Here, fall two instances: 2 a) You are browsing while signed into a google account or some other account - then this is straight forward C) You are browsing or using services without being signed into anything. This becomes a little harder, but still easy. This falls into the data analytics domain, basically let's say at your work there is a pool of 10 people, every individual there would have very distinct data that's attached to them. For instance, we visit nissansilvia.com all the time, however if you pick 100 people randomly in public, not even 1 of them would stastically know this site, even if you pick 1000 members of the public, it'd still be stastically less than 1. Anyway, that's just for one site, from the many sites and activities you undertake on the net, you have a very distinct data trail that is individual to you, so it's not very hard. From what I understand though, I don't think they do case 2 C) in general, it would have to be them looking for something specific. But obviously for all data, there exists an owner that they connect it with. Edited November 12, 2015 by Shadow_Matrix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shadow_Matrix 7 Posted November 12, 2015 (edited) What I'm more worried about though, if the "official" reason for the government doing this is "because terrorists", well then terrorists know already to use encryption, so that throws the governments 10 quadrillion dollar plan (hyperbole) out the window of meta data retention. For instance, right now if you google a program called "mujahideen" to memory, that is a bespoke encryption software used by terrorists around the world for their communications. Now let's take the scenario that somehow a terrorist doesn't use a encryption program for their communications, let's say they're "dumb" enough to use whatsapp. Even whatsapp has end to end encryption, so even then, the meta deta retention scheme would have absolutely zero effect. Now, obviously this is very simple and straight forward to know. So then the question is, since this is as obvious as day, what truly is the governments' motivation for this? Obviously they're not going to spend this amount of money and effort that is so obviously ineffective to catch terrorists and other criminals, so then what are their true motivations? What's the true intention? That's the scary part imo. And now I'm officially on the list lmao. May as well add a few other keywords, NSA, CIA, FBI, bomb, terrorist. That should do it lol. Edited November 12, 2015 by Shadow_Matrix Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Varvs 28 Posted November 12, 2015 you dont even need to be fancy, whatsapp and imessage are encrypted and hosted OS, so totally outside of the legislation. facebook chat too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kdog 7 Posted November 17, 2015 i remember when this comment was popular on here "nah deej" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chrisjohnson 0 Posted September 6, 2016 F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to buy VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers. Maybe some of these may be of interest... https://www.wickr.com/ http://www.bleep.pm/ https://gli.ph/ https://www.silentci...tions/software/ https://telegram.org/ https://whispersystems.org/ and to stop location tracking via towers... http://www.privacycase.com/ or you can wrap your phone in tin foil - you'll look like a weirdo but it works and some vpn providers for people that need them https://www.privatei.../pages/buy-vpn/ https://www.expressv...1=australia_vpn https://www.goldenfrog.biz/vyprvpn https://torguard.net/ https://www.purevpn.com/order https://www.ivpn.net/ https://nordvpn.com/ it should go without saying but to anyone thinking about just using free proxy sites; be careful, alot of these are set up by hackers to conduct mitm (man in the middle) attacks. ^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:) When German Jews were filling out the 1939 census they probably didn't think to much of it either, who would have thought that the Nazi's would have used the census information to hunt them down and kill them. The real issue is not so much 'are you doing anything wrong?'. It's the potential for misuse of this information that is worrying. With there already being talk of expanding the scope of the plan to allow agencies like the ATO and even private companies have access to the data and the inevitable scope creep that will accompany such a program; there is a very real chance of this information being data mined to profile citizens, to manipulate and influence the political system, financial markets, judicial systems and engage in industrial espionage (kinda like what happen with the Indonisia incident). But just keeping in line with the thinking of 'haven't done anything wrong', ever downloaded a song or a movie? you think the MPAA, RIAA won't be going after this data? Ever swore at sombody in a txt message, phone call or online? You could be charged with using a carriage service to menace or harass. There are millions of pieces of legislation in place so odds are your breaking numerous laws everyday without ever even realizing it. Someone in a position of power has beef with you, wouldn't be real hard to go on a fishing expedition. hell data retention Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimmy Cohen 0 Posted February 1, 2017 F**king hell this country is f**ked. I'd like to just say "time to invest in a VPN and give them the finger", but my real concern is the phone call data logging and location tracking via towers. Maybe some of these may be of interest... https://www.wickr.com/ http://www.bleep.pm/ https://gli.ph/ https://www.silentci...tions/software/ https://telegram.org/ https://whispersystems.org/ and to stop location tracking via towers... http://www.privacycase.com/ or you can wrap your phone in tin foil - you'll look like a weirdo but it works and some vpn providers for people that need them https://www.privatei.../pages/buy-vpn/ https://www.expressv...1=australia_vpn https://www.goldenfrog.biz/vyprvpn https://www.ivacy.com/australia-vpn/ https://torguard.net/ https://www.ivpn.net/ https://nordvpn.com/ it should go without saying but to anyone thinking about just using free proxy sites; be careful, alot of these are set up by hackers to conduct mitm (man in the middle) attacks. ^as long as its not kiddie porn or praying to the prophet mohammed, you should be right:) When German Jews were filling out the 1939 census they probably didn't think to much of it either, who would have thought that the Nazi's would have used the census information to hunt them down and kill them. The real issue is not so much 'are you doing anything wrong?'. It's the potential for misuse of this information that is worrying. With there already being talk of expanding the scope of the plan to allow agencies like the ATO and even private companies have access to the data and the inevitable scope creep that will accompany such a program; there is a very real chance of this information being data mined to profile citizens, to manipulate and influence the political system, financial markets, judicial systems and engage in industrial espionage (kinda like what happen with the Indonisia incident). But just keeping in line with the thinking of 'haven't done anything wrong', ever downloaded a song or a movie? you think the MPAA, RIAA won't be going after this data? Ever swore at sombody in a txt message, phone call or online? You could be charged with using a carriage service to menace or harass. There are millions of pieces of legislation in place so odds are your breaking numerous laws everyday without ever even realizing it. Someone in a position of power has beef with you, wouldn't be real hard to go on a fishing expedition. Even NSA tools were hacked. When NSA can be hacked anyone can be hacked easily. It becomes, even more, easier when hackers have NSA tools out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cjwalker 0 Posted August 1 (edited) Well, happy data retention day to everyone in Australia and everywhere around the world except those who are using a VPN for Australia to protect their online activities from ISPs and Government Surveillance. Edited August 1 by cjwalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
