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lol every 2nd person i meet is kind enough to remind me that dentists have a high suicide rate =)

 

the rates are higher than the population average just like other professionals but its not actually true that dentists have the highest

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mmn. I don't recommend online/external study - it can be such a *milkshake*. One of my Universities is so poorly designed that it's absolute hell trying to find anything - not to mention that you don't get told who your tutors are - and when you do they don't email you back so you've got no idea what's going on.

 

OH and group projects - while being awful - are now even worse.

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. It'll also put me in the position where I'm guaranteed a job post-grad.

 

Hate to burst your bubble there, but Australia isnt far away from not being able to provide internships for its graduates.

 

http://ausmed.ama.com.au/commonwealth-offers-temporary-reprieve-internship-crisis

 

You can thank the Howard government for that, funding and approving about a dozen medical schools at once without setting up a system to accomodate them or train them further.....and when it comes to applying for speciality training....good luck!

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. It'll also put me in the position where I'm guaranteed a job post-grad.

 

Hate to burst your bubble there, but Australia isnt far away from not being able to provide internships for its graduates.

 

http://ausmed.ama.com.au/commonwealth-offers-temporary-reprieve-internship-crisis

 

You can thank the Howard government for that, funding and approving about a dozen medical schools at once without setting up a system to accomodate them or train them further.....and when it comes to applying for speciality training....good luck!

 

once again, the best will be garusnteed jobs ;)

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. It'll also put me in the position where I'm guaranteed a job post-grad.

 

Hate to burst your bubble there, but Australia isnt far away from not being able to provide internships for its graduates.

 

http://ausmed.ama.co...ternship-crisis

 

You can thank the Howard government for that, funding and approving about a dozen medical schools at once without setting up a system to accomodate them or train them further.....and when it comes to applying for speciality training....good luck!

 

My understanding is that the shortage is essentially in work experience placements, once you have graduated getting work isn't hard.

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I've done the external business at UniSA and, possibly because we were the trial year for their new IT programs, it was f**king testicles. It was terribly organised, very little information given to you and basically you're on your own for group projects unless you're doing the course with mates or you can convince some internal guys to let you join their group.

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. It'll also put me in the position where I'm guaranteed a job post-grad.

 

Hate to burst your bubble there, but Australia isnt far away from not being able to provide internships for its graduates.

 

http://ausmed.ama.co...ternship-crisis

 

You can thank the Howard government for that, funding and approving about a dozen medical schools at once without setting up a system to accomodate them or train them further.....and when it comes to applying for speciality training....good luck!

 

Are you a doctor/medical student?? - I'm guess not by your comments.

 

A few interns aren't getting jobs as of this years grads. If you read all of my post it's just the internationals that are missing out, and will miss out. Local graduates (not FFP at ND syd) are guaranteed internships. And if you're getting political, it's federal labor that's trying to fund an extra 200 intern spots a year (in private hospitals - no experience) just so they can say they graduated X number of doctors per year.

 

AUstralia's Dr shortage isn't pure numbers, it's the number of consultants that are available. This will eventually be met soon enough. There has been dramatic increases in medical student numbers since 2000, peaking this year. Those that began studying in 2000 will be registrars now, soon to be consultants. the flow will continue.

 

Specialty training positions is a funny topic. Yes there is more competition, but with increased medical school places, there is also a decrease in standards of entry. Some doctors I've spoken to have told me not to worry too much as at least 1/4 students they see now days are under par. Something that I would have to agree with. Not to mention there is more older people and women training in medicine. these groups (plus the afore mentioned poor students) gravitate to genearl practice for the following few reasons

1) ease in training (shorter periods)

2) ease to get in (govt. keeps funding positions) and

3) it's easy, with no difficult exams

 

So really, provided you're not an idiot and work hard, anything is achievable.

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I am currently studying law and like my last attempt at studying (science) this is hit and miss too..

 

I think I'll stick with it though, because I'm almost 24 and have nothing behind me at the moment. Ideally I would like to be 26/27 with this course completed + a masters in intellectual property if I can (a shit load of work).

 

I really don't know what I want to do though, which is why my motivation to study is so meh..

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I am currently studying law and like my last attempt at studying (science) this is hit and miss too..

 

I think I'll stick with it though, because I'm almost 24 and have nothing behind me at the moment. Ideally I would like to be 26/27 with this course completed + a masters in intellectual property if I can (a shit load of work).

 

I really don't know what I want to do though, which is why my motivation to study is so meh..

 

Super bro fist right there, except I am 20 and studying Mech Engineering. I find that although a degree opens doors - they all lead to paperwork.

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Got just under a month to go in my bachelor of health science (public and environmental health) Liked some parts of the course, hated others. Not big on homework, study in my own time etc but have done ok. Last year has been a struggle with motivation. Was a heap of jobs when i started now with the f**ked economy in the u.k theres a lot of english and irish people here and not a heap of jobs. Already got to work a year in the field and mostly liked the work. Depressing when half my tradie mates are buying houses and new cars and all i have to my name is basic house stuff a POS r32....

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Got just under a month to go in my bachelor of health science (public and environmental health) Liked some parts of the course, hated others. Not big on homework, study in my own time etc but have done ok. Last year has been a struggle with motivation. Was a heap of jobs when i started now with the f**ked economy in the u.k theres a lot of english and irish people here and not a heap of jobs. Already got to work a year in the field and mostly liked the work. Depressing when half my tradie mates are buying houses and new cars and all i have to my name is basic house stuff a POS r32....

 

Dude, how hard is motivation to come by after a couple years of uni? I'm almost done 3rd year heading into 4th and final year and I've just hit a wall of nope right before exams. I just can't be bothered setting myself up to study for a whole day and shit, seems like a waste of time. Probably doesn't help that IT degrees are a joke in SA.

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Yeah it's f**ked. Our uni does "industry based learning" so i spent last year out in the field doing my job, earning money etc then come back to being a poor uni student and having to study. Even worse most my final year subjects seem to have little to do with what im doing, and its frustrating knowing that last year i was capable of doing the job fine. Just can't be bothered, currently procrastinating the 3 assignments due tomorrow, and 400 words into a 4000 word essay next week. Really having to push myself to get things done because if i fail and have to do another semester i'll rage so hard

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^ you can get out of doing IBL (industry based learning)...

 

get a letter from a current employer basically saying that they need you and its not possible to leave your duties for the time being... it worked for my brother, i did it because i thought it would be a good idea to put on my CV...

 

either that or get a letter from a mate that's working in the profession, get him to say he/she is your manager and that you already have the experience needed and get RPL...

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Nah i wanted to do IBL, i enjoyed it and it got me some experiance and heaps of contacts. I was complaining because i had to go back to uni and be poor this year. Had my last day yesterday, two assignments left and two exams to go. Starting to look for a job now, shit is stressful.

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Would have loved my IBL, but, my manager was a bit of a pretentious f**k that thought I was an invalid... :(

 

looking back on it now, its good that i got something extra for the CV, but, wouldn't do it again... it was 3 months of complete bullshit... plus I was not paid for mine... and doing one subject at uni while I was doing it...

 

PS: notice you have a 4000 word assignment... I remember smashing one in two nights... never again!!!!

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once again, the best will be garusnteed jobs wink.png

 

Thats not necessarily my major issue, if a HECS student accrued $50k in HECS fees and cost easily twice that in taxpayer funds to train them to an intern level.....and then if they were unable to find employment? thats a waste of taxpayer funds and a massive personal debt....for nothing

 

My understanding is that the shortage is essentially in work experience placements, once you have graduated getting work isn't hard.

 

Kinda, currently. The increased student numbers make it harder to find clinical placements for students at the moment, but the issue would be finding jobs for all these people in a few years. Or getting them appropriately placed for further training. This year it was last minute...next year? its going to be just as hard.....

 

Are you a doctor/medical student?? - I'm guess not by your comments.

 

 

Guess again.

 

A few interns aren't getting jobs as of this years grads. If you read all of my post it's just the internationals that are missing out, and will miss out. Local graduates (not FFP at ND syd) are guaranteed internships. And if you're getting political, it's federal labor that's trying to fund an extra 200 intern spots a year (in private hospitals - no experience) just so they can say they graduated X number of doctors per year.

 

Yeah, because what other choice did they have to place those students? Im not saying Howard et al didnt have a good idea in increasing numbers of local trainees, but it was not sustainable. Have you read the article I posted.....First its the internationals, then the Full Fee Paying locals....then....what?

 

 

Specialty training positions is a funny topic. Yes there is more competition, but with increased medical school places, there is also a decrease in standards of entry. Some doctors I've spoken to have told me not to worry too much as at least 1/4 students they see now days are under par. Something that I would have to agree with. Not to mention there is more older people and women training in medicine. these groups (plus the afore mentioned poor students) gravitate to genearl practice for the following few reasons

1) ease in training (shorter periods)

2) ease to get in (govt. keeps funding positions) and

3) it's easy, with no difficult exams

 

Kid, standards drop every year. Unfortunately this is something that is demonstrated to me on a daily basis......

However I do not think that the standards of entry into the popular specialities have droped. Most colleges have a vested interest in ensuring that the number of specialists is such that demand for those specialists allows for....lucrative reimbursement.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/stories/s212662.htm

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My useless 2 cents...

 

For IT in Australia, University is a waste of time as most employers don't give two shits if you have a degree or not.. they just want the experience. I have worked with Business Analysts and Project Managers without any degrees and I can tell you they're earning well over the $120k mark.

 

As for other industries such as Accounting, Finance etc.. you need a degree, recruiters won't even look at your CV twice if you don't have any education.

 

I regret wasting my life doing my IT degree, could have done with a Tafe Diploma and some extra external courses.

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