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Dandrenat - I'm not quoting your post coz it's too long smile.png but cheers heaps for the insight and advice, lots of good points raised and we are going through that stuff now

The other stuff people don't realise is the behind the scenes helpers you need to run canteen, bar and gate. Simple to overlook these people

 

although if its a drivers/ pit crew only type track then theres no need for alot of that extra pricey jazz, much like the calder thunder dome practice days held with no spectators

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Many good points raised, i do like the idea tho of building a track for drifters by drifters. Everyone chips in, etc, etc. But as many of you have said it costs a lot of money and time. In terms of what Australian drifting needs, i think it needs more people who are in it for the drifting rather than the money and sponsorship. Drifting began because it was fun. I think some people forget that. I think there needs to be more matsuri's and practise days for the "little guys" to improve their skills and stuff. SMP dont hold events that regularly and are usually pretty expensive. When luddenham opens up i hope they will offer their track for drifters at a reasonable price. More track days for a reasonible price, the more people will get out there and drift and have fun which is what drifting is meant to be about.... having fun. Competition wise, i dont think the ADGP is that bad, the sport has been growing because of it, but i do agree that some of the grass roots people like stewy bryant and ken leong are much more talented than some of the "pro" drivers competing in the ADGP, not to mention so much more exciting to watch! However this is just my opinion and everyone is entitled to their own.....

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Dandrenat - I'm not quoting your post coz it's too long smile.png but cheers heaps for the insight and advice, lots of good points raised and we are going through that stuff now

The other stuff people don't realise is the behind the scenes helpers you need to run canteen, bar and gate. Simple to overlook these people

although if its a drivers/ pit crew only type track then there's no need for alot of that extra pricey jazz, much like the calder thunder dome practice days held with no spectators

 

Yeh, but those days are a hit and miss, im sure there have been 2 or more days that haven't gone ahead due to drivers numbers, Its not a fool proof plan. There was even a calder main track day that didn't go ahead due to numbers.

 

Unless somebody can find a Major sponsor for Drifting alot of 'ideas' just wont happen, and then people have a cry that we should 'keep drifting fun' when politics begin to get involved.

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Been a while since i broken recorded

 

If we could all just get everyone on the same page of what should be respected in drifting i think thats what drifting around the world needs.

I feel it is short sighted to think that we need some Major sponsor for things to pick up.

 

Lack of money is a problem yes but if you go deeper there is an explanation as to why the lack of money.

 

There are multiple groups of mind sets on a different page when it comes to drifting.

We should all be on the same mind set when it comes to "the unspoken rules" of drifting.

 

You know the "unspoken rules" everyone knows but doesn't need to say, thats what i am getting at here.

We "drifting" don't have any unspoken rules. We should, otherwise drifting can't and wont evolve (evolution = money)

 

Why do you say that Mez?

 

Without tradition, art is a flock of sheep without a Shepard. Without innovation it is a dead corpse - Winston Churchill

 

For a scene like drifting to thrive it needs to be built on tradition.

People need to pay props and stick to their f**king guns.

 

"Hey media kid you're not killing it, get off your f**king high ass hipster horse thats already been done so no we dont want to get you to 1000 likes"

 

"Hey new pro drifter man, lose your shit *milkshake* arrogant attitude. You have only drifted a few days"

 

"Hey doucheon mandick dont you know that style is a subjective thing, WHO GIVES A f**k ITS NOT TO YOUR TASTE, its about how the brother rocks it"

 

"Hey dick head any one can buy a catalog of parts get off your own dick"

 

Right now any body can come into the scene and think they are "the best everrrrrrr" in all aspects (drifting,photos, filming). For a scene that want's to grow it is gonna have to start paying attention to its own self and have tradition.

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Been a while since i broken recorded

 

If we could all just get everyone on the same page of what should be respected in drifting i think thats what drifting around the world needs.

I feel it is short sighted to think that we need some Major sponsor for things to pick up.

 

Lack of money is a problem yes but if you go deeper there is an explanation as to why the lack of money.

 

There are multiple groups of mind sets on a different page when it comes to drifting.

We should all be on the same mind set when it comes to "the unspoken rules" of drifting.

 

You know the "unspoken rules" everyone knows but doesn't need to say, thats what i am getting at here.

We "drifting" don't have any unspoken rules. We should, otherwise drifting can't and wont evolve (evolution = money)

 

Why do you say that Mez?

 

Without tradition, art is a flock of sheep without a Shepard. Without innovation it is a dead corpse - Winston Churchill

 

For a scene like drifting to thrive it needs to be built on tradition.

People need to pay props and stick to their f**king guns.

 

"Hey media kid you're not killing it, get off your f**king high ass hipster horse thats already been done so no we dont want to get you to 1000 likes"

 

"Hey new pro drifter man, lose your shit *milkshake* arrogant attitude. You have only drifted a few days"

 

"Hey doucheon mandick dont you know that style is a subjective thing, WHO GIVES A f**k ITS NOT TO YOUR TASTE, its about how the brother rocks it"

 

"Hey dick head any one can buy a catalog of parts get off your own dick"

 

Right now any body can come into the scene and think they are "the best everrrrrrr" in all aspects (drifting,photos, filming). For a scene that want's to grow it is gonna have to start paying attention to its own self and have tradition.

Idealism bro, taking away varying attitudes, motives and ego's all together is an impossible task. We all know attitude is the big problem, the issue isn't stating that it's the problem, it's practical solutions which change it which are few and far between. You'll never get rid of it, i see it creeping into even the most legit people until they correct themselves after seeing it come out, it's ingrained into us, it's something everyone has to fight, well all have ego's, so to expect it to be completely rid of it isn't practical.

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Oh i dont think you can change every ones attitudes i know thats impossible.

 

Its just a heads up for when a different system rises.

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This is part of the problem with interpretative or subjective 'sports' and activities; there's often no clear winner or clearly superior contender. Different budgets, equipment, problems, etc can lead to outcomes that may not reflect the reality of the contender's skills, leading to egos and fanboys. When the egos reach critical-mass or d*ckheads become fanboys, then conflict and sadfaces ensue.

 

"Hey media kid you're not killing it, get off your f**king high ass hipster horse thats already been done so no we dont want to get you to 1000 likes"

 

I'm not in the scene and although as a car guy I'm cool with the other points, this one isn't "sticking to your f**king guns", it's actually just being a f**king wanker. If there's anything your scene doesn't need, it's this kind of attitude. Let people post videos and ask for likes. That's what kids do these days. Don't try to tear them down on the basis that it's "already been done"... almost everything has been done by now, not to mention if their pansy hipster attention-whore content sucks, they won't get the Likes anyway.

 

Videos and the rise people get from gaining viewer approval is a big factor that has driven the recent boom in popularity of Tricking, Freerunning and Parkour, before which they were fairly underground activities. Sure you'll get some tools and the occasional aggressive fanboy, but ultimately you end up with more people in the scene, and more people who can recognise who is killing it and who is not, which imo is the goal.

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^ So much so that the recent X Games had updates about Rally X drivers gaining new fans/likes on FB.....

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This is part of the problem with interpretative or subjective 'sports' and activities; there's often no clear winner or clearly superior contender. Different budgets, equipment, problems, etc can lead to outcomes that may not reflect the reality of the contender's skills, leading to egos and fanboys. When the egos reach critical-mass or d*ckheads become fanboys, then conflict and sadfaces ensue.
"Hey media kid you're not killing it, get off your f**king high ass hipster horse thats already been done so no we dont want to get you to 1000 likes"
I'm not in the scene and although as a car guy I'm cool with the other points, this one isn't "sticking to your f**king guns", it's actually just being a f**king wanker. If there's anything your scene doesn't need, it's this kind of attitude. Let people post videos and ask for likes. That's what kids do these days. Don't try to tear them down on the basis that it's "already been done"... almost everything has been done by now, not to mention if their pansy hipster attention-whore content sucks, they won't get the Likes anyway. Videos and the rise people get from gaining viewer approval is a big factor that has driven the recent boom in popularity of Tricking, Freerunning and Parkour, before which they were fairly underground activities. Sure you'll get some tools and the occasional aggressive fanboy, but ultimately you end up with more people in the scene, and more people who can recognise who is killing it and who is not, which imo is the goal.
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Nah see you miss the point then if your cool with everything else but not that.

 

You can't let people think they are killing it when they are not in a sport of subjectivity THAT IS STILL GROWING. You just can't.

You're openly letting someone shit on your cake you haven't finished yet.

 

The drift scene is the cake, over time you have built up layers upon layers. To get to the frosting you have to start down in the spongey depths.

Over time drifters have gone from just 20 meter run ups to 150 meter entries.

Are you gonna let some new comer in to drifting do a 20 meter run up and then run around and think his killing it like he did a 150m entry?

 

You wouldn't yet we do and what does that affect have?

 

It means any other new comer to the scene that cops old mates 20 meter run up i am king attitude, is gonna think "Oh all you need to do is enter 20m and you're the best"

He has just undermined all the hard work everyone else did working up their skill to do 150meter entries.

 

People are attacking the frosting right away. That very case is happening in Australian drifting right now.

 

But i was talking about media people

I see what you're saying and you're right.... in 10 years when drifting has progressed more shit will roll that way much like as Mick said above Xgames/Street league.

But we're not there yet, and a whole lot of people are blinded to the fact we're not by the case i provided above. They are thinking its glitz and glamour with their fan pages when we haven't even dropped the oil yet!

 

I am more than versed in the affect of more videos on a subject increases more potential for growth.

 

BUT.

 

You said yourself you're not too into the scene which i feel is blurring your full perspective on the subject. You can't have your solid media circle (the dudes who are a constant in the scene at most events etc.) not respecting what one another is doing. Because then all it is, is a dick measuring contest with no dick. How do you measure that?

 

Too many media dudes are not doing that. They think they are the shit when they shouldnt. This mindset is destructive because dudes get an ego and stop pushing barriers which prevents growth. For barriers to be pushed media cats need to be aware what barriers have already been. Thus respecting what has came and what will come in the scene and then trying to exceed that via their own interpretation of drift.

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Now that articulates your point significantly better than that one line, and you raise some interesting points. Nice job MeZ :)

 

You could be right about the perspective issue on my part. The scene I've been in for a while now (mostly tricking) is the absolute reverse, where people are never satisfied with the status quo, sometimes to the point of it all getting rather dangerous. Pretty much as soon as someone has landed a move they've been working on, they're looking to either learn something different, make the move harder, or combo that move into another one. For the most part it's a really positive scene too, as a difficult trick that's fairly rough will get props, but so will a more simplistic move done super-high or super-clean. There's so much variety to it too, so egos are less; you an be a beast at one thing, and suck at the next, or simply be too frightened to try.

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what is tricking?

 

Soliciting sexual favours for money.

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Facebook has just informed me that the G1 comp at Ebisu has an interesting way of working out what class drivers should be in - everybody qualifies and then they're sorted based on skill according to their qualifying runs. How's that for a novel idea?

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Should've split them on performance in quali, not perceived skill (as ironic as that sounds).

 

But then again, guys that could finish mid-pack in the top class, could always dog it in quali, so as to do a bit of trophy hunting in the bottom class.

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Now that articulates your point significantly better than that one line, and you raise some interesting points. Nice job MeZ :) You could be right about the perspective issue on my part. The scene I've been in for a while now (mostly tricking) is the absolute reverse, where people are never satisfied with the status quo, sometimes to the point of it all getting rather dangerous. Pretty much as soon as someone has landed a move they've been working on, they're looking to either learn something different, make the move harder, or combo that move into another one. For the most part it's a really positive scene too, as a difficult trick that's fairly rough will get props, but so will a more simplistic move done super-high or super-clean. There's so much variety to it too, so egos are less; you an be a beast at one thing, and suck at the next, or simply be too frightened to try.

 

Yeah dude i suck don time at getting my point across so i need a few posts to convey the full thought haha.

Exactly dude! Everyone is so focused on upping the anti in themselves/the sport that there is no time to sit back and jerk yourself weak.

 

We're slowly getting there and there will be a tipping point, everyone just needs to keep up the good mentality!

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what is tricking?
Soliciting sexual favours for money.

 

Haha, nice. Tricking is a mix of kicks, acrobatics and gymnastics, in no specific style or form, just whatever you think will be totally badass. Came from martial artists that wanted to freestyle their acrobatic moves, hence the generic name, but these days you get people from all sorts of disciplines in it. Random Youtube video to help explain:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5z0gJ6yEd8

 

And yes, even on a sprung floor, if you hit the deck you really know about it. :(

 

May apologies for the thread hijack.

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It's pretty much jumping and kicking

 

Lol sure, why not. Pretty much all body movement is jumping, kicking, moving arms or moving legs. Look up a back sommersault tutorial some time and give it a try.

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we just need a tyre machine at the track, a bbq and some one to pay money to at the gate! then let the good times roll!!!! dreamin. hahaha

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White r32 that's called a forced motorworx thunderdome day, you should check it out big one coming soon

 

 

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nah im not for that, bbq is motorbike club day shit. id get confused what i was supposed to be doing.

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You're f**king weird Frenchie. BBQ's are laid back gatherings that promote socialising, etc. More community spirited stuff is exactly what drifting needs, BBQ is perfect for that.

 

Skid, have a snag with mates and talk shit, skid some more, repeat. Sounds like a winner.

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nah im not for that, bbq is motorbike club day shit. id get confused what i was supposed to be doing.

 

Guys.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

J/k dude. Riding the joke bandwagon.

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